"There was a lot of young people doing a lot of pain play, but not with leather and not with chains or latex or anything like that, but with cactus. Cactus! All vegetable based BDSM! This is the future! Like, beyond BDSM! Totally incredible. I was like, wow, this is totally cruelty-free cruelty! So . . . mind blowing! So, this is like the new phase of what we're going into. It's so imaginative."
Cruelty-free cruelty is SO important.